[CP2K-user] [CP2K:12815] SCAN convergence problems for charged systems

Chris Ahart uca... at ucl.ac.uk
Mon Jan 27 18:27:41 UTC 2020

Dear Juerg,

Thanks for your response.

The 8x8x8 cell does indeed converge, giving an IP of 288.9 kcal in good 
agreement with the G12IP dataset SCAN value of 287.9 kcal (J. G. 
Brandenburg, J. E. Bates, J. Sun and J. P. Perdew, *Phys. Rev. B*, 2016, 
*94*, 17–19.).  Reducing the cell dimensions is however problematic for 
other systems (e.g NH3, Cl2), as a cell small enough to give non-diverging 
SCF then has non-zero density at the cell edges. Increasing the multigrid 
cutoff appears to make this problem worse.

I have also done some condensed phase tests on bulk iron oxides for polaron 
studies. Perhaps without any vacuum where the density becomes small, the 
charged state converges easily. However the resultant potential energy 
surface is very flat, with localised and delocalised polarons being energy 
degenerate (HSE and other methods predict small polarons). At least one 
other group has attempted to use SCAN with CP2K, and they found that SCAN 
performs even worse than LDA for describing solid gallium (R. C. Remsing, 
J. Sun, U. V. Waghmare and M. L. Klein, *Mol. Phys.*, 2018, *116*, 
3372–3379). Combined with the knowledge that small charged systems can't 
converge for reasonable cell sizes, it looks like SCAN doesn't work very 
well with CP2K. 

Would you have any further advice, or does this seem like a methodological 
problem with SCAN and CP2K?


On Monday, 27 January 2020 13:17:16 UTC, jgh wrote:
> Hi 
> I couldn't find a clear bug for this. My current best guess is 
> that the problem is related to the numerical instabilities 
> of the SCAN functional. 
> Molecules in large boxes have many grid points with small and 
> 'random' density/gradient values that cause problems. 
> Your special case works for me in a 8x8x8 box (instead of 10x10x10)! 
> regards 
> Juerg Hutter 
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> Subject: [CP2K:12815] SCAN convergence problems for charged systems 
> Dear CP2K users, 
> I am attempting to use the SCAN functional from libXC 4.2.1 with CP2K 6, 
> performing some basic benchmark calculations from the G12IP dataset. While 
> SCAN converges well for neutrals systems, I am unable to get convergence 
> for a charged system. 
> I attach an example of the CH4 system (input and output for both neutral 
> and charged), where the neutral state converges within 20 steps while the 
> charged state immediately diverges. I have observed the same behaviour with 
> many other systems. I have also tried using LDA pseudopotentials as well as 
> the SCAN optimised pseudopotentials from github.com/juerghutter/GTH, in 
> addition to all electron calculations. I have confirmed that the same input 
> file converges with HF, and with PBE from both the CP2K implementation and 
> from libXC. 
> I have also found that the charged system converges when only the 
> correlation part of the SCAN functional is included, suggesting that the 
> problem may be related to the exchange part of the SCAN functional. 
> Any help with this problem would be greatly appreciated. 
> Regards, 
> Chris   
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