[CP2K:3573] Re: Is it possible to study/converge magnetic surfaces? repost..
Dr. Roman Leitsmann
leit... at matcalc.de
Fri Oct 28 11:30:40 UTC 2011
I am a little bit confused.
I understand your point and I would expect the same behavior.
However, does this mean that the following lines in the output are not
reliable in the case of added MOs and applied smearing?
Number of electrons: 602
Number of occupied orbitals: 627
Number of molecular orbitals: 702
Number of electrons: 598
Number of occupied orbitals: 623
Number of molecular orbitals: 698
Because at this point always integer numbers are given ...
The other question is how reliable is the population analysis in case of
fractional occupied orbitals? Because the total spin moment given in the
population analysis is sometimes not in agreement with the above output.
Am 28.10.2011 12:58, schrieb marci:
> Dear Roman,
> For a metallic system it is recommended to use additional MOS and
> Fermi-Dirac smearing.
> By doing so within spin-polarized calculations, the total number of
> electrons per spin channel is not constrained to be an integer number,
> because the distribution of the occupation numbers is done on the
> basis of the energy level of each state with respect to the Fermi
> energy, irrespective of its spin.
> The total number of electrons per spin is simply the integral of the
> charge density associated to that spin.
> Estimates of the momentum per atom can be obtained by the population
> On Oct 28, 12:42 pm, "Dr. Roman Leitsmann"<leit... at matcalc.de>
>> Dear Marcella,
>> I have some (may be stupid) questions about your calculation:
>> (1) You are using additional MOs and a certain smearing, right?
>> However, in the case of fractional charges the computation of the spin
>> moment is not yet proper working in cp2k (WARNING: S** computation does
>> not yet treat fractional occupied orbitals). So my question is: How have
>> you calculated the spin moment.
>> (2) How have you calculated the difference between spin up and spin down
>> channel. In my version of cp2k only integer numbers of electrons are
>> given for each spin channel.
>> Am 28.10.2011 12:20, schrieb marci:
>>> Dear Valerio
>>> I did a second test with a 6x6 slab and 6 layers, and by initializing
>>> the multiplicity to 131,
>>> I get a reasonable distribution of spins. Atoms belonging to the same
>>> layer have all the same spin moment, the outermost layer have the
>>> largest spin moment 0.66, and the two innermost layer have the lowest
>>> spin moment 0.56.
>>> It takes quite a number of iterations (about 140) to converge with a
>>> convergence criterion of 1E-7.
>>> I used a mixing parameter of 0.08 and an electronic temperature of
>>> The RELAX_MULTIPLICITY keyword is not needed when the smearing is
>>> The occupation of the states is attributed according to the Fermi-
>>> Dirac distribution, through the evaluation of the Fermi energy at each
>>> SCF step.
>>> This means that the fractional occupation numbers can change, as well
>>> as the number of electrons per spin channel, only the total number of
>>> electrons is constant.
>>> In the specific case, I monitored the number of electrons per spin
>>> channel, and it remains quite stable from the beginning to the end,
>>> though there are some fluctuations, in particular during the first
>>> The final difference between spin up and spin down is of 131.8
>>> On Oct 26, 4:08 pm, Valerio Bellini<valerio... at unimore.it>
>>>> Il 26/10/11 15.30, marci ha scritto:
>>>>> Dear Valerio,
>>>>> I tried your system, 5x5 Ni(111) slab, and I could converge the
>>>>> electronic structure by using more or less the same settings that were
>>>>> in your input.
>>>>> It needs many iterations and the energy keeps oscillating for a long
>>>>> time before the algorithm can find a good minimum.
>>>>> However, what is really annoying, is that at the end the electrons are
>>>>> redistributed between the two spins in such a way that the final
>>>>> magnetization is zero, in spite of the fact that the initial guess had
>>>>> a high multiplicity.
>>>>> It seems that with the present settings and system size, the algorithm
>>>>> finds a minimum with no magnetization, and this should be also the
>>>>> reason why starting from a magnetization different from zero it takes
>>>>> such a long time to converge.
>>>>> It is possible that one problem is the size of the system. One should
>>>>> check larger boxes to verify that.
>>>>> What I can tell for sure is that the optimization of the bulk (216
>>>>> atoms) electronic structure, gives the expected magnetization (~0.6
>>>>> magneton per unit cell) by using more or less the same SCF set up.
>>>> Dear Marcella,
>>>> Thank you for the answer.
>>>> Two comments:
>>>> 1) I did calculation for the same system, using Gamma point only, with
>>>> another code (VASP),
>>>> and the total magnetic moment of the cell relaxed to around 86 bohr
>>>> With a better multiplicity guess I thought convergence might be easier,
>>>> but it was
>>>> not the case.
>>>> If I try 87 as multiplicity and I run more than 500 iterations with
>>>> the system converges using Diagonalization+Broyden up to 0.005 Hartree,
>>>> but as said in the previous e-mail, the magnetic moments are not equal
>>>> for different atoms
>>>> in the same plane, so the system in reality is far from convergence.
>>>> Could I ask you how many iterations did it take to you?
>>>> 2) I do not understand how you could get a non-magnetic solution.
>>>> If you impose the multiplicity to some value, and you don't allow
>>>> relaxation of it
>>>> (using the keyword, RELAX_MULTIPLICITY) the multiplicity of the system
>>>> should remain
>>>> constant (like in a fixed spin moment calculation).
>>>> So this means that you inserted that flag in the input file, is that
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