<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks for the info! I was already wondering how we could have messed up so badly ;)<div><br></div><div>Greetings, </div><div>Thomas<br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>Am 09.06.2026 um 05:47 schrieb Dmitry Ryndyk <dmitry.ryndyk@tu-dresden.de>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">I made new tests, sorry for any misunderstanding. I used smearing incorrectly. </span><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">As I see now, tblite works with UKS and gives some results that look reasonable.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><br></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Thank you for your comments,</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">Dmitry<br><br></div><div class="gmail_quote" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_attr">Dmitry Ryndyk schrieb am Dienstag, 9. Juni 2026 um 11:36:30 UTC+2:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Oh!<div>Thank you!</div><div>I forgot to use FIXED_MAGNETIC_MOMENT with SMEAR.<br><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div>Dmitry</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="auto" class="gmail_attr">Jürg Hutter schrieb am Dienstag, 9. Juni 2026 um 11:21:58 UTC+2:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi<br>1) The implemented xTB Hamiltonians don't have a spin dependence.<br>You will always get the same orbital energies for alpha and beta electrons.<br>2) Occupation of the orbital levels depends on a combination of input parameters.<br>a) No smearing: Number of alpha and beta electrons is determined from the Multiplicity keyword.<br>b) With smearing: default is a single Fermi energy and electrons are allowed to move from alpha<br>to beta. This is default because this is what most people want for DFT Mermin functional calculations.<br>If you want to keep the number of electrons to be fixed, you need to specify<br>FIXED_MAGNETIC_MOMENT 2<br>This together with a FD temperature of 300 is the default in tblite (if I'm correct).<br><br>regards<br>JH<br><br>________________________________________<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a>> on behalf of Dmitry Ryndyk <<a rel="nofollow">dmitry...@tu-dresden.de</a>><br>Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2026 7:23 AM<br>To: cp2k<br>Subject: Re: [CP2K:22273] Spin polarized calculation with xTB<br><br>Dear Jürg, Michael, Thomas,<br>Thank you for the answers. I use the master git branch, and the UKS tblite simply doesn't work as UKS. I hope to get a reply from someone who cares about tblite integration into CP2K just now.<br><br>But meanwhile, I do not understand the internal spin-dependent now. Please have a look at the attachment. I tried<br>Multiplicity=3 and got a strange result. There is no spin difference at the end!<br>And it has nothing to do with xTB; the same is for DFT PBE.<br>Only with OT do I get the expected result.<br>What do I not understand?<br><br>Thank you in advance,<br>Dmitry<br><br>Thomas Kühne schrieb am Dienstag, 9. Juni 2026 um 00:30:36 UTC+2:<br>Hi everybody,<br><br>there have been some recent new developments. In conjunction with tblite 0.6.0<br>CP2K now supports GFN2 for periodic systems incl. k-points and via analytic<br>gradients and stress tensor for RKS and UKS. Have a look at the recent preprint,<br>as well as the recent regtests and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/DCM-Uni-Paderborn/Periodic-GFN2-Benchmarks" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://github.com/DCM-Uni-Paderborn/Periodic-GFN2-Benchmarks&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw1vSIZ0DdR3bFnFSCgorCJ4">https://github.com/DCM-Uni-Paderborn/Periodic-GFN2-Benchmarks</a><br>for representative sample inputs.<br><br>Greetings,<br>Thomas<br><br><<a href="https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw0g4zapjWvBTq_qJT6j1snh">https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1</a>><br><a href="http://chemrxiv.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=http://chemrxiv.org&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw3sThi8QD42YM8yOrrs23M7">chemrxiv.org</a><<a href="https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw0g4zapjWvBTq_qJT6j1snh">https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1</a>><br>[X]<<a href="https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw0g4zapjWvBTq_qJT6j1snh">https://chemrxiv.org/doi/abs/10.26434/chemrxiv.15003939/v1</a>><br><br><br>Am 08.06.2026 um 11:51 schrieb Michael LaCount <<a rel="nofollow">lacou...@gmail.com</a>>:<br><br>I looked into this earlier this year.<br><br>Tblite does seem to support the spin polarized version (spGFNn) see<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1002/jcc.27185" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1002/jcc.27185&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw0qv-i7gYXQS92z3CRq1QV5">https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1002/jcc.27185</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>"All (sp)GFNn-xTB calculations were performed with the tblite v. 0.3.0 development version either as a standalone or in the xtb v. 6.5.1 development version." A bit ambiguous but it seems to me to read like tblite supported spGFN-xTB.<br><br>But I'll note that I found using LSD with TBLITE GFN1 doesn't work properly (at least in v2026.1) (see<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/cp2k/cp2k/issues/4818" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://github.com/cp2k/cp2k/issues/4818&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw0PokFOk9KtEUez_qOzZqB8">https://github.com/cp2k/cp2k/issues/4818</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://github.com/cp2k/cp2k/pull/4804" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://github.com/cp2k/cp2k/pull/4804&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw2IdL74oDF1RJKG851G7p1V">https://github.com/cp2k/cp2k/pull/4804</a>). Also TBLITE with GFN2 has (or at least had) some odd behavior assigning electrons for nitrogen.<br><br>In short, at least as of CP2K 2026.1 there is no way (to my knowledge) to get a proper spGFNn calculation done with CP2K. The best you can do is triplet GFN0/1 using the internal CP2K implementation of XTB.<br><br>Best,<br>Michael<br><br>On Monday, June 8, 2026 at 7:12:08 AM UTC-7 Jürg Hutter wrote:<br>Hi<br><br>This extension is not included in the CP2K native gfn0/1 xTB Hamiltonians.<br><br>I don't know if it is available through tblite, but most likely it has to be triggered by a<br>keyword and defaults to the original spinless Hamiltonian.<br>Probably this keyword is not yet accessible through the CP2K input?<br><br>best regards<br>JH<br><br>________________________________________<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a>> on behalf of Dmitry Ryndyk <<a rel="nofollow">dmitry...@tu-dresden.de</a>><br>Sent: Monday, June 8, 2026 3:36 PM<br>To: cp2k<br>Subject: Re: [CP2K:22267] Spin polarized calculation with xTB<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>What is going on at present?<br><br>The xTB site<<a href="https://xtb-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/spgfn.html#spgfnn-xtb" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://xtb-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/spgfn.html%23spgfnn-xtb&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw1RFi1o0l9ZkOnjc_TcGh6T">https://xtb-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/spgfn.html#spgfnn-xtb</a>> states that spin-polarized calculations with tblite are possible, and spin-dependent Hamiltonians are described in the 2023 paper<<a href="https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcc.27185" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcc.27185&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw3rWl-PxVKgBgy6J52w78qp">https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jcc.27185</a>>.<br><br>Moreover, at the CP2K site<<a href="https://manual.cp2k.org/trunk/CP2K_INPUT/FORCE_EVAL/DFT/QS/XTB/TBLITE.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://manual.cp2k.org/trunk/CP2K_INPUT/FORCE_EVAL/DFT/QS/XTB/TBLITE.html&source=gmail&ust=1781091656228000&usg=AOvVaw3Ej_V8VGjE_xpiWL4mto0J">https://manual.cp2k.org/trunk/CP2K_INPUT/FORCE_EVAL/DFT/QS/XTB/TBLITE.html</a>>, it is written:<br>Spin-polarized CP2K/tblite calculations are selected with the regular DFT/UKS keyword or its LSD/SPIN_POLARIZED aliases; DFT/MULTIPLICITY sets the number of unpaired electrons. UKS uses tblite’s spin-polarized Hamiltonian.<br><br>At the moment, however, it seems to be blocked. One always gets restricted orbitals.<br>Any ideas?<br><br>Best wishes,<br>Dmitry<br><br><a rel="nofollow">hut...@chem.uzh.ch</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>schrieb am Freitag, 5. März 2021 um 19:09:23 UTC+1:<br>Hi<br><br>you can calculate a triplet using UKS. For xTB the results should<br>show equal orbital energies for alpha and beta spin, even though<br>the occupations will be different.<br><br>regards<br><br>Juerg<br>--------------------------------------------------------------<br>Juerg Hutter Phone :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+41%2044%20635%2044%2091" value="+41446354491" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">++41 44 635 4491</a><tel:+41%2044%20635%2044%2091><tel:+41%2044%20635%2044%2091><br>Institut für Chemie C FAX :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+41%2044%20635%2068%2038" value="+41446356838" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">++41 44 635 6838</a><tel:+41%2044%20635%2068%2038><tel:+41%2044%20635%2068%2038><br>Universität Zürich E-mail:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">hut...@chem.uzh.ch</a><br>Winterthurerstrasse 190<br>CH-8057 Zürich, Switzerland<br>---------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>-----<a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote: -----<br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a><br>From: "Pierre-André Cazade"<br>Sent by:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a><br>Date: 03/05/2021 05:16PM<br>Subject: Re: [CP2K:14885] Spin polarized calculation with xTB<br><br>Dear Juerg,<br><br>It's a very interesting topic. Provided what you described in your reply, is it possible to use xTB for a triplet state? If yes, is it necessary to use UKS, since the Hamiltonian doesn't have spin-dependence?<br><br>Regards,<br>Pierre<br>On Fri, Mar 5, 2021 at 3:42 PM <<a rel="nofollow">hut...@chem.uzh.ch</a>> wrote:<br>Hi<br><br>you can use unrestricted calculations also with xTB. However,<br>the xTB Hamiltonian doesn't have a spin dependence. So what you<br>get is the same as using a restricted open shell calculation.<br>Unrestricted is double the work, but can use OT methods.<br>Restricted open shell (ROKS will not work btw) will need<br>diagonalization and smearing. What is more efficient in the end<br>might depend on your system.<br><br>best regards<br><br>Juerg Hutter<br>--------------------------------------------------------------<br>Juerg Hutter Phone :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+41%2044%20635%2044%2091" value="+41446354491" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">++41 44 635 4491</a><tel:+41%2044%20635%2044%2091><tel:+41%2044%20635%2044%2091><br>Institut für Chemie C FAX :<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="tel:+41%2044%20635%2068%2038" value="+41446356838" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">++41 44 635 6838</a><tel:+41%2044%20635%2068%2038><tel:+41%2044%20635%2068%2038><br>Universität Zürich E-mail:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">hut...@chem.uzh.ch</a><br>Winterthurerstrasse 190<br>CH-8057 Zürich, Switzerland<br>---------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>-----<a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote: -----<br>To: "cp2k" <<a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a>><br>From: "Mauro Sgroi"<br>Sent by:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp...@googlegroups.com</a><br>Date: 03/05/2021 09:33AM<br>Subject: [CP2K:14881] Spin polarized calculation with xTB<br><br>Dear all,<br>I'm trying to understand if it is possible to use xTB to perform spin polarized calculations.<br>If yes, which is the right way to proceed?<br>Is there an howto to follow?<br><br>Thannks a lot and best regards,<br>Mauro Sgroi<br>Centro Ricerche FIAT<br>Italy<br><br>--<br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cp2k" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp2k+uns...@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/f6049f47-2a0d-4d21-bdd7-8a1fa320dfb3n%40googlegroups.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/f6049f47-2a0d-4d21-bdd7-8a1fa320dfb3n%2540googlegroups.com&source=gmail&ust=1781091656229000&usg=AOvVaw0hX_5ok6-z8qH9-5zWnM8i">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/f6049f47-2a0d-4d21-bdd7-8a1fa320dfb3n%40googlegroups.com</a>.<br><br><br>--<br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cp2k" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp2k+uns...@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/OFDF4C8D2B.FF7BE2D3-ONC125868F.0056498D-C125868F.0056498E%40lotus.uzh.ch" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/OFDF4C8D2B.FF7BE2D3-ONC125868F.0056498D-C125868F.0056498E%2540lotus.uzh.ch&source=gmail&ust=1781091656229000&usg=AOvVaw0wxoz1-I4lIw1UUrMrYUhf">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/OFDF4C8D2B.FF7BE2D3-ONC125868F.0056498D-C125868F.0056498E%40lotus.uzh.ch</a>.<br><br>--<br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cp2k" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp2k+uns...@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>To view this discussion on the web visit<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/CAFnf9gqvD3jnN_wRAgbYZGaN%2BC1%2BGANJHs8-Nqf-ruYMGjKHHQ%40mail.gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/CAFnf9gqvD3jnN_wRAgbYZGaN%252BC1%252BGANJHs8-Nqf-ruYMGjKHHQ%2540mail.gmail.com&source=gmail&ust=1781091656229000&usg=AOvVaw1U7oQfnWHAi2KgIW-cUPp-">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/CAFnf9gqvD3jnN_wRAgbYZGaN%2BC1%2BGANJHs8-Nqf-ruYMGjKHHQ%40mail.gmail.com</a>.<br><br><br>--<br>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cp2k" group.<br>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow">cp2k+uns...@googlegroups.com</a><mailto:<a rel="nofollow">cp2k+uns...@googlegroups.com</a>>.<br>To view this discussion visit<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/05c0af2b-f6cb-4bdb-817c-521bcf5acfb9n%40googlegroups.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/05c0af2b-f6cb-4bdb-817c-521bcf5acfb9n%2540googlegroups.com&source=gmail&ust=1781091656229000&usg=AOvVaw1XHq-52KZWStzRNa_xAXZH">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/05c0af2b-f6cb-4bdb-817c-521bcf5acfb9n%40googlegroups.com</a><<a href="https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/05c0af2b-f6cb-4bdb-817c-521bcf5acfb9n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?hl=de&q=https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/05c0af2b-f6cb-4bdb-817c-521bcf5acfb9n%2540googlegroups.com?utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dfooter&source=gmail&ust=1781091656229000&usg=AOvVaw051ZKxLyRv9zMLk9mNhjCo">https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/cp2k/05c0af2b-f6cb-4bdb-817c-521bcf5acfb9n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer</a>>.<br><br>--<br>You received this message because you are subscri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