[CP2K:6126] Re: Issue with symmetry

S Ling lingsa... at gmail.com
Tue Feb 17 17:28:52 UTC 2015


I don't have problem with the latter setting. I am not sure why you didn't 
get the same.

SL



On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 5:20:04 PM UTC, Laszlo Ryan Seress wrote:
>
> I did the latter before I tried to manually dictate the symmetry, the same 
> issue of changing all angles to 90 occurred.  That file is attached here.
>
> Apropos, I think that using the former would do the calculation on a 
> reflected version of my system (because b and c are the same length, if I 
> switch the y and z coordinates, wouldn't I luck out and still have a 
> functional structure?  Maybe I am picturing this in my head wrong).  I will 
> still probably have to do the rotation to check.
>
> Any ideas as to why the latter is failing?  I still don't understand why 
> it is overwriting my inputted angles.  
>
> Thanks, as always,
> Laszlo 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:12 PM, S Ling <ling... at gmail.com <javascript:>
> > wrote:
>
>> Either
>>
>>     &CELL
>>       ABC 16.000 15.600 15.600
>>       ALPHA_BETA_GAMMA 90.00000000 86.40000000 90.00000000
>>       SYMMETRY MONOCLINIC
>>     &END CELL
>>
>> or
>>
>>     &CELL
>>       ABC 16.000 15.600 15.600
>>       ALPHA_BETA_GAMMA 90.00000000 90.00000000 86.40000000
>>     &END CELL
>>
>> should give you correct "BETA" angle. You need to rotate the whole 
>> lattice system for the first setting. Since you are not doing a CELL_OPT, I 
>> would suggest you to use the second setting, in which you don't need to 
>> change the coordinate system.
>>
>> SL
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 4:50:12 PM UTC, Laszlo Ryan Seress wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've attached my input and coordinate files.  There is some "overflow" 
>>> beyond the edges of the box, but I have been told this is ok because of 
>>> periodic boundary conditions.  I got the coordinates from the SI of a 
>>> paper, which I have not attached due to size, but can be found at this 
>>> link, in case it is of interest. dx.doi.org/10.1021/ma100551m   In the 
>>> SI, they have gamma = 86.4, which is why I have it set up that way. 
>>>
>>> I am aware that since I didn't rotate the coordinates yet there could be 
>>> (i.e. almost definitely are) issues with the accuracy of the results, but I 
>>> suppose I'm surprised that the geometry is still being set to 90 degrees.  
>>> From what I understand, the program is immediately setting it to an 
>>> orthorhomic box and so the errors are occurring on calculations that aren't 
>>> in the right symmetry anyways.  
>>>
>>> Thanks again for taking the time to help out with this.
>>>
>>> Laszlo
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:38 PM, S Ling <ling... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would be more useful if you can provide your full input file.
>>>>
>>>> As I said in the first post, you need to rotate your lattice if you 
>>>> swap BETA and GAMMA angles, i.e. you need to change the whole coordinate 
>>>> system and coordiantes of all the atoms. The "ERRORL2 in 
>>>> cp_fm_cholesky:cp_fm_cholesky_decompose processor" error message might 
>>>> mean you have a very bad geometry, which is related to the way you set your 
>>>> CELL section.
>>>>
>>>> SL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 February 2015 at 16:11, Laszlo Ryan Seress <lasz... at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you again for the reply.  I thought this was a really good 
>>>>> suggestion so I was surprised to see that it didn't work (and also felt 
>>>>> silly that I didn't think of it myself).
>>>>>
>>>>> I ran the program twice, with inputs:
>>>>>
>>>>> (run *759)
>>>>>
>>>>>     &CELL
>>>>>       ABC 16.000 15.600 15.600
>>>>>       ALPHA_BETA_GAMMA 90.00000000 86.40000000 90.00000000
>>>>>       SYMMETRY MONOCLINIC
>>>>>     &END CELL
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> (run *762)
>>>>>
>>>>>     &CELL
>>>>>       ABC 16.000 15.600 15.600
>>>>>       ALPHA_BETA_GAMMA 90.00000000 90.00000000 86.40000000
>>>>>       SYMMETRY MONOCLINIC
>>>>>     &END CELL
>>>>>
>>>>> Both runs ended with errors.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Interestingly, in both cases, the output has the following information 
>>>>> in the beginning:
>>>>>
>>>>> CELL_TOP| Volume [angstrom^3]:                                         
>>>>> 3886.077
>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Vector a [angstrom    16.000     0.000     0.000    |a| =   
>>>>>    16.000
>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Vector b [angstrom     0.000    15.600     0.000    |b| =   
>>>>>    15.600
>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Vector c [angstrom     0.000     0.000    15.600    |c| =   
>>>>>    15.600
>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Angle (b,c), alpha [degree]:                               
>>>>>     90.000
>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Angle (a,c), beta  [degree]:                               
>>>>>     90.000
>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Angle (a,b), gamma [degree]:                               
>>>>>     90.000
>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Requested initial symmetry:                               
>>>>>  MONOCLINIC
>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Numerically orthorhombic:                                   
>>>>>       YES
>>>>>
>>>>> So still the angles are being overwritten.  However, something else is 
>>>>> clearly breaking because the program is ending with errors.  I don't really 
>>>>> know how to interpret the error reports in great detail, but I have 
>>>>> attached them in case they prove useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Laszlo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:32 PM, S Ling <ling... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please remove the three A/B/C cell vectors, and set your CELL section 
>>>>>> like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> &CELL
>>>>>> ABC 16.0 15.6 15.6
>>>>>> ALPHA_BETA_GAMMA 90.00000000 86.40000000 90.00000000
>>>>>> SYMMETRY MONOCLINIC
>>>>>> &END CELL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SL
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 2:18:00 PM UTC, Laszlo Ryan Seress 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your reply. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried the following input:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     &CELL
>>>>>>>       A     16.00000000    0.000000000    0.000000000
>>>>>>>       B     0.000000000    15.60000000    0.000000000
>>>>>>>       C     0.000000000    0.000000000    15.60000000
>>>>>>>       ALPHA_BETA_GAMMA 90.00000000 86.40000000 90.00000000
>>>>>>>       SYMMETRY MONOCLINIC
>>>>>>>     &END CELL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but still got this output:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  CELL| Volume [angstrom^3]:                                         
>>>>>>>     3893.760
>>>>>>>  CELL| Vector a [angstrom]:      16.000     0.000     0.000    |a| = 
>>>>>>>      16.000
>>>>>>>  CELL| Vector b [angstrom]:       0.000    15.600     0.000    |b| = 
>>>>>>>      15.600
>>>>>>>  CELL| Vector c [angstrom]:       0.000     0.000    15.600    |c| = 
>>>>>>>      15.600
>>>>>>>  CELL| Angle (b,c), alpha [degree]:                                 
>>>>>>>       90.000
>>>>>>>  CELL| Angle (a,c), beta  [degree]:                                 
>>>>>>>       90.000
>>>>>>>  CELL| Angle (a,b), gamma [degree]:                                 
>>>>>>>       90.000
>>>>>>>  CELL| Requested initial symmetry:                                   
>>>>>>>  MONOCLINIC
>>>>>>>  CELL| Numerically orthorhombic:                                     
>>>>>>>         YES
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ​It seems to be overwriting my inputted angles and replacing them 
>>>>>>> with 90 degrees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ​Best,
>>>>>>> Laszlo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:02 PM, S Ling <ling... at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need to rotate your lattice so that your beta=86.4, not 
>>>>>>>> gamma=86.4. This is the requirement of MONOCLINIC space symmetry in CP2K, 
>>>>>>>> see http://manual.cp2k.org/trunk/CP2K_INPUT/FORCE_EVAL/SUBSY
>>>>>>>> S/CELL.html#desc_SYMMETRY
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> SL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 at 1:15:44 PM UTC, Laszlo Ryan Seress 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have been having an issue with the symmetry command in the CELL 
>>>>>>>>> section.  My input has:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     &CELL
>>>>>>>>>       A     16.00000000    0.000000000    0.000000000
>>>>>>>>>       B     0.000000000    15.60000000    0.000000000
>>>>>>>>>       C     0.000000000    0.000000000    15.60000000
>>>>>>>>>       ALPHA_BETA_GAMMA 90.00000000 90.00000000 86.40000000
>>>>>>>>>       SYMMETRY MONOCLINIC
>>>>>>>>>     &END CELL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> but the output has:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Volume [angstrom^3]:                                   
>>>>>>>>>       3893.760
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Vector a [angstrom    16.000     0.000     0.000    |a| 
>>>>>>>>> =      16.000
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Vector b [angstrom     0.000    15.600     0.000    |b| 
>>>>>>>>> =      15.600
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Vector c [angstrom     0.000     0.000    15.600    |c| 
>>>>>>>>> =      15.600
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Angle (b,c), alpha [degree]:                           
>>>>>>>>>         90.000
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Angle (a,c), beta  [degree]:                           
>>>>>>>>>         90.000
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Angle (a,b), gamma [degree]:                           
>>>>>>>>>         90.000
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Requested initial symmetry:                             
>>>>>>>>>    MONOCLINIC
>>>>>>>>>  CELL_TOP| Numerically orthorhombic:                               
>>>>>>>>>           YES
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Has anyone had a similar issue with getting the angles changed and 
>>>>>>>>> the program changing the symmetry from monoclinic to orthorhombic?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any help you may be able to provide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>> Laszlo 
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